When Michael Lawrence arrived in Portland, Oregon 15 years ago, there were almost no gospel-centered churches in the city. Rather than simply building one healthy congregation and calling it done, he began asking: how do we multiply? In this conversation, he talks about the slow, unglamorous work of identifying potential pastors, training them, and getting them into churches—and why the goal was never to build the biggest church in Portland, but to see an ecosystem of healthy churches take root across the city.